This is a guest post by Svar
I’ve long since realized that the materialistic and reductionist views promoted by both factions of our political system have not only destroyed culture and art and replaced it with pop-”culture” and modern “art”, but they have ruined the genuine Christian faith by incorporating elements of garbage theology(liberal Evangelicism, Dispensationalism, Americanism) into the faith.
Here’s an email exchange between Will S. and I that touches upon this:
Svar:
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2011/02/09/moldova-a-neo-cold-war-battlefield/
The article isn’t as important as this excerpt: “The Soviet authorities were supportive of the development of a distinct Moldovan culture as a matter of state policy. The fruits were considerable, especially in the field of folk music and literature.”
Interesting how the Old Left actually supported culture, even as a bunch of atheists, unlike the New Left which seeks to destroy all culture. I personally think that the government supporting culture i.e. as in ACTUAL culture in both the folk and high forms is a tremendously good idea. Unfortunately, the shitty Amerikan government supports modern “art” like “Piss Christ”.
To think, the American government helping the people create it’s own unique form classical music or preserving it’s folk art or promoting literature like that of O. Henry, probably one of my favorite writers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Henry
Nowadays, unfortunately, everything is shit.
Will:
Alas…
Agreed about the Old Left: as regards folk music in America, for example, it was the Pete Seegers, the Guthries, and Bob Dylan, who, to their credit, back in the day, re-recorded old folk songs, and helped maintain their popularity. The Right doesn’t give a shit, or at least, it didn’t, until bluegrass became cool, once again.
Also, agreed about the desirability of governments supporting actual culture, as opposed to filth. I don’t hate the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation; it has done a lot of good for Canadian culture, helping promote Canadian culture, in its various forms, nor do I hate the various other Canadian agencies that have also done so. We’re a small country, of only 35 million or so, living next to a cultural giant of 300 million, whose influence is strong, and while I love American culture, I also love our own Canadian culture, and sadly, I know that all too many rank and file Canadians, if Canadian culture weren’t supported by the State, would ONLY consume American culture, which would be unfortunate. As it is, Canadian movies are notoriously unpopular amongst most Canadians – and sadly, neocon Canadians like Karhy Shaidle and Mark Steyn trash them, all the time. Yet these are OUR stories, and so long as they’re good and not leftist agitprop crap, even if a bit subversive and salty, as long as good story-telling, we Canadians NEED to support our own, too.
That said, I’m not opposed to lifting ‘Canadian content’ rules from radio and TV; but, I’d still keep other funding forms in place.
Svar:
I don’t understand why the Right doesn’t care, but then again the American Right is only focused on fellating Big Business and Capitalists, not promoting either culture or faith for themselves, but only as a means to a political end. Preserving, promoting, and developing folk and high art is a part of Conservatism. The paleocons over at Chronicles advocate this. I remember reading a comment by Thomas Fleming saying how Neo-Cons and Libertarians both hate beauty and goodness just as much as socialists do because they don’t believe that the Opera or the symphony have any right to survive because it can not be supported without taxpayer’s money, but shit like…. Tranny GaGa and Christina Aguilera have the right to survive because the Crowd loves that shit and are willing to pay their own money for it. Fuck that.
I’m opposed to Amerikanization. I hate how Amerika has destroyed regional folk cultures in America(like that of the Cajuns, Tejanos, and German Texans) and I hate how it’s doing it to that of other countries like your Canada. I hate how it shows no respect for either folk or high art. You know the band Rammstein? Well, the keyboardist has described Amerika as a “sick and decadent country with no culture”. This is coming from an atheist leftist who’s in a band that talks about BDSM. Says a lot, doesn’t it?
Will:
Oh yeah, love that Rammstein song! :)
“This is not a love song… I don’t sing my mother tongue…”
“nach Afrika kommt Santa Claus, und vor Paris steht Mickey Maus!”
You nailed it; the neocons only care about big business and its profits. Only the paleos get it…
And yeah, funny how even people like the Rammstein members can get it, in some regards at least…
Neither the Neo-”Con” Republicans or the leftist Democrats promote any type of conservatism and both look down upon or silence those that do i.e. paleocons. Stupid party and Evil party, indeed.
Count me in the camp that would defund NPR and PBS. I think there is an accepted premise that is a bit of a strawman. The issue is not hatred of beauty or a desire for anarcho-capitalism, but that the public at large has to support political agitation that is basically only lefty. It’s not Austin City Limits and classical music that is objectionable, but that these broadcasters act as party apparatchiks.
As to the opera and the symphony, I think the problem is that they’ve learned only to subsist on taxpayer infusions (and if you read reviews they also are quite prone to lefty diatribes and are unwilling to just shut up and perform) rather than finding patrons or otherwise supplementing their revenue. They feel entitled to exist because they are just so important. I don’t disagree with preservation, it’s the attitude.
Lastly, I have a Cajun friend who is my age. He might object to your assertion that his culture is gone, just as he objects to those who conflate Cajun and Creole. Don’t do that. It gets Cajuns riled up!
First off, Ulysses, thanks for commenting. This is my first post.
“Count me in the camp that would defund NPR and PBS.”
I definitely agree. My argument is that institutions of the Right, not that of the Left, should be preserving folk and high culture since that is a part of Conservatism. The Left…. on the otherhand, can not be trusted to promote the development of either without promoting some malicious agenda.
“(and if you read reviews they also are quite prone to lefty diatribes and are unwilling to just shut up and perform) ”
I agree that this is a problem. That is why the Left should not be able to touch either high or folk culture because everything they touch turns to shit. These things belong to conservatives-why are we allowing leftists to manipulate them? Why is folk culture being co-opted by hipsters when it belongs to the… folk? Why is high culture being co-opted by snooty liberals when it belongs to snooty conservatives?
“Lastly, I have a Cajun friend who is my age. He might object to your assertion that his culture is gone”
True, those cultures may not be completely gone per se, but they are under attack from all fronts-the media, Amerikanization, MultiCulti, secularism, and the other heads of the leftist hydra. Just like with Southern culture which is constantly painted as “racist” and slandered by the media.
I don’t think America would suffer, by any means, should NPR and PBS be privatized / defunded, completely. American culture is secure enough, without needing any help; agree completely about high culture, such as classical music orchestras, etc.
However, Canada is in a different situation. We are a smaller country (population-wise), dominated culturally by our next-door neighbour. The idea behind the CBC, was to allow us to tell our own stories, to make sure they get heard. I do think the CBC can use some trimming, that it could be run better (without always following a left-wing agenda, grinding that axe) and cheaper. But I think it is needed; ditto government assistance for Canadian movie production, etc.
Different strokes for different folks, as they say…
Interesting, guys. I find myself drifting further right these days, and away from neo-conservatism. Keep it coming – I’m learning!
Oh and yay, moar Rammstein!
Ooh, really CL, you’re moving rightward; that’s interesting!
As an artist and a conservative, I think The arts and arts organizations should not be dependent on the government teat: government money comes with short leashes attached; the grantee must agree to meet certain political considerations and then verify compliance. The government money removes operational policy and programming form the local art group’s control: organizations such as artist organized and run groups begin to conform to what the local/state/federal gov’ts want, not what the artists want. In effect, the gov’t becomes a super-executive board unanswerable to the arts organization.
Will, I have realised that I am not really a neo-con anymore and so, to commemorate this realisation, I have changed my facebook political views to “paleoconservative”, since that does seem a pretty good fit. I may not be as far as you and Svar (yet), but I’m working on it. And I appreciate the
brainwashingeducation you two have here and there provided me! :) So who the hell do I vote for now? Now one? At least I won’t get called for jury duty? lolLOL! Well, I haven’t voted in the last four or five federal elections… Welcome to the dark side!
Voting is compulsory here in Oz. I don’t vote for the major parties. Haven’t in years. I became disallusioned with the lot of them. I could cast a donkey vote I suppose, but I vote for independent Christian candidates, not that it makes a difference to the outcome of course. :(
@ Njartist49
You bring up a very good point. The government isn’t necessary for the development of folk art, because that has developed in the far past without such help. But what about high art? In the past, high art was patronized by the aristocracy and sometimes the Church.
The ideal is either a small monarchy or a conservative republic that can appreciate both of those things. Unfortunately we live in a (liberal)dumbocracy that either denigrates these things or uses them to promote a malicious agenda. That is a problem.
Also all funding for modern “art” must stop. Modern “art” is garbage. Makes better kindling than art.
It’s a good thing that you are an artist and a conservative.
@ Will S.
Looks like our plan for CL is almost complete; mwa ha ha ha ha ha!!
@ CL
To be honest, I didn’t think that my paleocon views would rub off on you. However, you never really seemed like a neocon to me. You seemed somewhat like a paleocon of sorts because of how you (rightfully)denigrate feminism and how you actually take the Roman Catholic faith seriously, not just for appearances.
@ Kathy
I’m obviously disillusioned with both of Amerika’s major parties and I don’t plan on voting, but I might vote for Ron Paul since all the conservative Christian men in the Manosphere as well as over at Chronicles is giving him a thumbs up. Unfortunately, the GOP is the party of Big Business and pointless war not of true conservatism and I doubt Ron Paul will win. I personally don’t know what to think of him; I’m distrustful of libertarians, especially one who named his son after Ayn Rand, a selfish bitch with a crappy ideology.
It’s unfortunate that independent Christian candidates have no chance of winning.
I used to like Ron Paul until I realised he’s a bit of an idiot. He gets some things right but also gets a lot wrong. I dunno… Hobson’s choice.
Oh, and before I got into Catholicism, I was for all intents and purposes, probably closest to a neo-con. Like I said at TC, sometime during RCIA I started to realise that neo-con politics were at odds with Catholic principles.
CL, if you haven’t been bitten by the Moldbug yet, his open letter to Ron Paul supporters is a good intro.
This post is now cross-posted, with a clarification added as a first comment, at:
http://patriactionary.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/folk-and-high-culture/
“I started to realise that neo-con politics were at odds with Catholic principles.”
Oh, if only. I sadly, would beg to differ. Rome is even more complicit in this judaized worldview, than most protestants. They just give good press, to those who actually believe their false credentials…..
I also agree that only a complete destruction, secession, or civil war is our option. But the idea that the government, when a monarchic, structured, patriarchal one could and should support artists and their creative endeavors, is the only means to keep the non-native and anti-christian out of the ‘artistic’ circles, that currently are ONLY defined by degenerates and antichrists.